Know yourself better,

release your fear

and set boundaries

A conversation with modern mystic Dani Sage

Learning to set boundaries is really tough, especially when you don’t know yourself well enough to know what you need. That’s why I talked with Dani Sage, modern mystic and head witch in charge at the Good Vibes Hive, about getting to know ourselves through a tool called Human Design, which Dani uses to help her clients know themselves so that they can be best version of themselves.

Nicole: Hi, good afternoon or morning or whatever time zone you happen to be in. I’m Nicole Havelka. I’m your burnout coach and the founder of the Defy the Trend burnout coaching community. And I am here today live with my friend Dani Sage, who is a modern mystic and the head witch in charge at Good Vibes Hive, and always a person who will get excited about whatever nail color I have or want to have. One of the thousands of things I appreciate about Dani is her humor and her [sense of] adventure. … And we are here. So grab a beverage, grab your snack or your lunch, if it’s lunchtime where you are, and hang out with us for, I don’t know, 20 or 30 minutes while we talk about why getting to know ourselves is a really important tool for self-care. And maybe even why getting to know ourselves isn’t about changing

ourselves, which is what all of the marketing to you is about. Health, wellness, beauty, really, anything you name – it is about changing yourself. And that’s not what we’re about at all. So welcome, Dani. Tell us more about yourself and why you started the Hive and who you are and all that good stuff.

Dani: Yeah, thank you for having me. So, I started the Hive over six years ago. My background is in the salon industry, and I had done that at that point for ten years. And the Hive kind of was invented as another layer of support for self-care in people’s lives. I carry crystals, tarot and oracle decks, candles, anything a little metaphysical that’s going to help you support your self-care and your community-care journey in your life.

Nicole: Right. And I can affirm that it is like a super chill, awesome place, having been there many times [and] many iterations.

Dani: Thank you. 

Nicole: I think you’re on the third location, I think that I’ve got.

Dani: I am, yeah.

Nicole: Is that right, or is it four?

Dani: It’s three.

Nicole: Awesome. And we should say in Columbus, Ohio, but all the woo-woo is available online. But I’ll give you a chance to tell more people where to find you later at the end of our conversation, too.

So, this was really interesting. I was reading more on your website – not that I [hadn’t] seen it before, but I delved deeper in order to prepare for this – you use the phrase demystifying woo-woo, and I found that just a fascinating phrase and I’m curious what you mean by that and why do we need to do that?

Dani Sage, modern mystic and the head witch in charge at Good Vibes Hive laying on the ground, is a white femme-presenting woman with pink hair splayed around her. She's holding a tarot card over one eye.

Dani: Yeah, so growing up, I was always really into the world of woo-woo. My papa used to take me to psychic fairs, and I grew up near a town called Yellow Springs, [Ohio], which is just full of crystal shops and tarot readers, but it always felt like – I don’t know, you’d go in and it’s dark and everything’s, like, behind a closed curtain. And it just seemed like, as a newbie, I felt like I couldn’t really ask questions. And this was before the internet, so it was just kind of like I don’t know a lot of the places I would go into. I felt like I wasn’t supposed to be there. So the more I experienced getting into crystals and having my tarot cards read and owning my own deck, people would say to me, like, “Oh, I want to get into that, but I don’t know anything about it,” or “it’s scary,” or whatever. I’ve heard it all, and so it’s just really important to me to kind of open it up. 

And it’s all of these tools that I use in my daily life, like tarot cards and crystals and spell candles and Human Design and astrology. They’re so powerful and transformational. It’s a shame that people feel like they don’t have access to it or they don’t know enough about it to get into it. So the whole mission behind the Good Vibes Hive is to try to make the world of woo accessible.

Nicole: Yeah, I think that’s something that both you and I care about a lot. And I find that with yoga and meditation and mindfulness, which is a big part of what I do to help people prevent and recover from burnout. And that seems like, completely inaccessible to people, which is just lunacy, right? First of all, we all have to start somewhere with everything. That’s just the thing, right? But the fact that we’ve, in the case of yoga, especially the fact that we’ve made sort of the pinnacle of it, like doing a handstand on a rock on a beach somewhere or getting your legs behind your head – which, yoga is about none of those things, by the way., just as an aside. That’s a different conversation maybe I’ll have at another time. But the same thing with what you’re talking about, that somehow astrology and Tarot and all of that is somehow inaccessible, either because it’s unaffordable or somehow it’s just too high. Like there’s something elevated about it that makes it not for you. Right?

Dani: Yeah.

Nicole: Which is ridiculous on all counts, right?

Dani: Yeah, absolutely. I mean, there’s definitely parts of the woo-woo world that are sacred traditions that you need to be careful— The reason it is important to be knowledgeable once you get into it is to make sure you’re not appropriating or totally stealing from cultures that aren’t your own or disrespecting practices. But aside from that, finding your thing and making it easy – which, I think we’ll talk about my rituals later – but it doesn’t have to be complicated. You don’t have to know or be able to name every crystal to buy your first piece.

Nicole: Yeah. So that actually leads into that question. So talk about some of your favorite rituals, and what are some suggestions you might have for others who are getting started?

Set boundaries and make your self-care ritual easy for yourself

Dani: Yeah. So I am a big fan of a totally non woo-woo book called Atomic Habits [by James Clear]. And part of the practice in Atomic Habits is the concept called habit stacking. So if there’s something that you want to do every day or once a week or whatever – pairing it with something that you already do regularly so that you remember, like brushing your teeth or making a cup of coffee. I started pairing my daily rituals with habits that I already do. 

So I am a huge fan of gratitude practices. I think that they can be so powerful, and I used to make it like this big thing where I’d sit down and light incense and journal, which I still do, but it just made it more of a chore or more of a time commitment. So I pair my gratitude practice with brushing my teeth every morning. So while I brush my teeth, I think of three things that I’m grateful for.

A small led candle lit next to a journal with a pen laying on it to prepare for a ritual, self-care practice.

Setting intentions for the day: I always make myself a cup of coffee, so I know I’m going to be doing that first thing in the morning. So, as I’m making my coffee, I’m like, what do I want today to feel like? What do I want to get done? What do I want to be really intentional about? What goals do I have while everything’s happening?

And then a little witchy thing I do once the coffee is made is, I’ll program it with that intention, like, okay, this coffee, as I drink this coffee, it’s going to fill me with the energy of productivity or motivation or presentness or gratitude. And then as I drink it, I just try to be totally present and feel that energy in my body. 

I love journaling, I love working with crystals, but yeah, anything that I know I’m already going to do every day, trying to see, how can I make that much more magical. How can I make a shower more magical? Can I put water-safe crystals inside my shower? Can I imagine the water washing away all the energy that’s no longer serving me and taking it down the drain and away from me? Is there a magical way you can eat your food, et cetera?

Nicole: Yeah, I love that. I love that because that little piece of it makes it more accessible. And I will say that, partially because you and some other people had recommended Atomic Habits, I’m almost done reading it. I’ve been reading it just recently, and I think I’m going to be using it in an upcoming series actually, that I’ve been thinking about – probably not until January that I’m going to do the series, but around habit formation and incorporating mindfulness in your life because people think it needs to be this separate thing that you do, where it can be, “Oh, I’m brushing my teeth. I’m going to do this.” Or one of the other things he suggests is that you make the time really accessible, especially in the beginning, like, “oh, okay, I’ll do this for two minutes.”

Dani: Right.

Nicole: Most people can sort of wrap their head around doing something for one or two minutes at first. It often feels like doing more is just completely impossible. Right? So making it … as small and bite-sized as you possibly can was one of his other recommendations for making things [easier] when you’re starting new habits. Eventually they become routine, like brushing your teeth.

Someone – a.k.a., your parents had to remind you to brush your teeth 4 million times when you were young, and then it eventually became a habit. At one time in your life it was that your parents told you to do it, but then eventually it became something that you do yourself, right?

Because you see the benefits of it, because it feels good, all those things. about using brushing your teeth, as an example. And I say the same thing about my own mindfulness practice, which is almost daily practice, and I say, now it’s brushing my teeth. I do do usually at least 20 to 30 minutes of something, but that’s not how I started. Eventually, it became just the thing I did, and it really isn’t any more complicated than brushing my teeth. I’m like brushing my teeth and thinking, “Okay, what am I going to do in my practice today?” And I’m feeling into, “What do I need today?” Yeah, that’s the practice. But it’s muscle memory now. It’s just part of what I do.

Dani: Yeah, there’s another book. It’s called I Will Teach You to Be Rich [by Ramit Sethi]. There was a quote in it that really stuck out to me, where he said, “if something’s worth doing, it’s worth doing infrequently.” So his example was tied to finances. Like, if putting $1,000 into your retirement account every month is good, putting $10 in your retirement account instead of zero is also good. So if you can’t meditate for 20 minutes a day, you can meditate for five minutes a day. We start out setting these huge – or at least I do it that way – these huge goals and expectations for ourselves, like, “All right, I’m going to start meditating. So I’m going to do it seven days a week for 20 minutes.” And then the first time you don’t do it, you beat yourself up instead of starting small, like, “Okay, well, if 20 minutes is good, then so is five.”

Nicole: Right. Totally. I have a similar personality where I tend to think it’s all or nothing.

Dani: Yeah.

Nicole: I either do the biggest thing I think I should do or I’ll do nothing, which, I’ve learned in my lifetime that that is not a useful way to think about this. Really. It’s more like the example of putting money away in the retirement account. Sure, $1,000 a month would be great, but $10 is also really good, or whatever – the one dollar. Zero, you’re not going to get anywhere, right? If the choices are all or nothing, nothing is going to get you nowhere. Right. But something, no matter what the small amount, is going to get you somewhere. It’s certainly better than the zero, than the alternative.

How Human Design helps you to set boundaries

Nicole: So I want to turn us to talking about self-awareness in this conversation, as promised. Because I’m actually really eager to learn more about something that you do called Human Design. But – this is just how I’m wired – I want to talk about, why do we want to get to know ourselves better in the first place? And is it to change ourselves? Is it to do what? Why do we even want to be self-aware?

Dani: Well, in Human Design at least, a lot of it is kind of deconditioning how you’ve been conditioned to behave growing up. There’s five different energy types in Human Design. They’re similar to your astrological signs. They’re kind of like the umbrella that the rest of your chart sits under. And all five behave so differently, or at least they should. But if you were like a Projector, for example, they need a lot of rest. They have the ability to get things done in less amount of time than the other types. But they do need a lot of rest, and they need to protect their energy because they don’t create their own energy from within. If a Projector child was raised by a Generator parent that [is] constantly generating energy from within, they don’t need a ton of rest as long as they’re doing the things that light them up and have really good boundaries around their energy.

If that parent is kind of conditioning that Projector child to behave like the Generator parent, it just gets so muddy. Like, you think you should be behaving one way because that’s what you’re shown when really you’re designed to behave a totally different way. So becoming self-aware of, in this case, your Human Design helps you drop some of the conditioning and be even more yourself than you were before.

Nicole: That’s cool. So it’s a tool for looking inward and saying, “OK, this is really how my natural rhythms work.”

Dani: Yes. 

Nicole: Versus how you might have been conditioned.

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Dani: Yeah. A good example is my mother. There’s a part of your chart called your authority. It’s the way that you’re designed to make your most aligned decisions. My mom’s is like a gut instinct. So there’s an opportunity. Immediately her gut tells her yes or no. And my authority is emotional. I’m supposed to sleep on things. I don’t have clarity in the moment when presented with a, “Do you want to do this?” Or whatever opportunity, I need to get comfortable buying myself time and allowing myself to sleep, and then the clarity comes. But growing up, when I’m like, “I don’t know what to do.” Blah. Blah, blah, blah, blah. Because obviously my mom didn’t know about Human Design. She’d be like, “Well, what’s your gut say? Go with your gut.”

And I would get so confused because that doesn’t mean anything to me. I don’t have a gut reaction to things. The way I feel things in my body is so different than that instinctual response that it just ended up making me even more confused.

Nicole: Right. That is a really good example. So walk us through, if someone was going to do a Human Design reading with you, what does that entail? What does that look like?

Dani: Your Human Design reading is actually a chart. It’s your body graph. So you would need your birth date and time because it’s based in a lot of astrology. I would pull the chart, and then, with a reading with me, it goes through, the PDF that you receive ends up being 21 pages. There is a lot of information in your chart, about things like how you’re designed to move about the world and interact with other people, how you are designed to make your most aligned decisions. The two main archetypes that reside in you, like your dominant archetypes, and how they show up in the world, the parts of you that are more susceptible to that outside conditioning, and how to set boundaries around them and learn what’s best for you. And then the parts of you that aren’t so susceptible to the outside conditioning. And then this really cool part of everyone’s chart I always love to talk about is your incarnation cross, which is your soul’s purpose. It can be the way that we’ve been conditioned to think about purposes, like, what am I supposed to be doing for a living? But really, it’s the most aligned way that your energy shows up in the world.

Nicole: Right.

Dani: Which may have something to do with your work, or it may not. 

Nicole: Yes.

Dani: For example, there’s an incarnation cross called the cross of laws. There’s over 192 different incarnation crosses in Human Design, but there’s a cross of laws, which is basically, the person’s purpose is to look at moral laws, societal laws, universal laws, and decide which ones, as a society evolves, we still need, like, don’t murder people, and which ones we can probably let go. Like, don’t wear a hat at the dinner table.

I have a client with a cross of laws that’s literally a lawyer. And then I have a client with the cross of laws that she’s just, like, a very rebellious, kind of questioning everything person. But her main job has nothing to do with that energy. It just shows up in a totally different place in her life.

Nicole: That’s so interesting. Oh, people are so fascinating, right?

Dani: They are. I love looking at people’s charts, especially then meeting them and being like, what does this look like as a person?

How saying yes instead learning to set a boundary ‘double drains’ your energy

Nicole: Yeah, I love it. And I think you’ve been alluding to this already, which is, what does a Human Design reading have to do with self-care? Or maybe how can it help you with self-care?

Dani: There’s so many aspects of your chart. First of all, just seeing your chart for the first time is such an amazing experience. I remember reading about my chart and now getting to watch hundreds of people feel seen sometimes for the very first time. Just that permission.  Yeah, you are different than some of the people around you, but you’re supposed to be. So oftentimes it’s just like unlocking the permission to be the person that has to sleep on things, or the person that feels emotion so deeply, or the person that feels really independent, or the person that feels like a social chameleon. It’s just really interesting. So there’s that aspect of it. 

But then there’s so many parts of your chart that show you where you probably need more boundaries, where it’s easier for people to kind of take advantage of your energy, where you have probably – again, a lot of Human Design is conditioning and deconditioning – so where you’ve been conditioned to behave in a way that’s not in alignment, and how to embody the way that you’re designed and break through that conditioning so that your life feels easier, honestly.

Nicole: Yeah. Well, it’s like we designed this or something. [laughs] It’s perfectly segueing into a question I have that relates to the theme I have for this particular month, which is “loving yourself enough to learn how to say no.” In my experience now of doing burnout coaching with people either in groups or individuals for three or four years, and really the work I did before that dealt with this, too, this is just, I formalized it— What I found is, that [saying no] is the place where people get hung up and that most people are aware, and certainly their bodies tell them, when they need to take time to rest. And like you said, different types of people will need different amounts, but there’s no one who doesn’t need any. It’s not human, right. … Our bodies are not designed to go 24/7. At minimum, we need to sleep, but we also need time which is called active rest, too. But that’s, again, probably a topic for a different day. So it sounds like boundary setting is a big piece of this. And maybe, I wonder, and my bet is that you have a lot of people that struggle with saying no.

Dani: Oh my gosh, 100%. Like, probably everyone struggles.

Nicole: Everyone. Yeah.

Dani: And I feel like they come to me because I’ve never had a problem saying no. I had to do this thing with a coach I worked with at one point where I had to interview, I think, eleven people. And one of the questions that I had to ask everyone was, “What do you think my biggest strength is that you wish you had?” And every single person said – your ability to set and maintain boundaries. So I love that people come to me and I’m like, “I’ve got you. I can help with this from my own life experience.” And also being able to look at their chart and being like, “Listen, this part of your chart says that you are a very capable person. No matter what someone hands you, you’re going to be able to get done. Subconsciously, the people in your life are picking up on that, and if you don’t set good boundaries they will continue to put things on your plate and ask a lot of you. And if you can’t say no, it’s not their fault.”

Sometimes we’ll get into the mentality of, like, “Oh my God, everyone asks too much of me, blah, blah, blah.” And it’s like, no one asks too much of me because I don’t do it. People subconsciously pick up on that energy. A lot of Human Design is your aura, which is a total subconscious interaction. And they’ll go to you and be like, “Wow, this person’s so capable. I’m going to ask them to do it.” And if you do it because you think you should, not because you want to, that’s such an energy suck in Human Design. Like that kind of obligatory energy of like, “I should do this because it’ll make this person happy, even though it’s draining my energy.”

Nicole: Right, well, and I hadn’t thought about that before. It also is sort of a double drain, right?

Dani: Yeah.

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Nicole: You’re draining probably because you’re doing too much. Like, it’s just more than you need to be doing in that particular moment. But it’s also draining because then you feel like that sense of obligation or whatever or the need to be nice or [as] one of my clients phrased it recently, “Oh, do you think they feel like they’re going to be mean to someone by saying no?” That somehow the no is mean, which it isn’t, right? Or simply that people won’t like them? 

Prior to this month, I posted in a bunch of different social media places, asking people [to] talk to me about saying no. [I asked] “What is [saying no] like?” And those were things that came up very often, that it feels mean [to say no]. “It feels like I’m going to disappoint people.” “People aren’t going to like me.” Which, most people – adults who are reasonably self-aware – know that’s ridiculous, right? Consciously, that that’s not true. That’s not what’s going to happen, but that’s still how it feels in the moment. And that is the second layer of drain.

How your energy type and social conditioning affect your ability to set boundaries

Dani: Yeah, well, and the other layer is there are two energy types in Human Design that make up 70% of the population. So the majority of the population … when they were conditioned as children, if you do something you don’t want to do, it makes other people happy. And then you get like praise heaped on you. Like, “I know that you didn’t want to go to your sister’s dance recital, but it’s so good that you went anyway, blah, blah, blah.” And so you got heaped praise for doing something that you didn’t want to do. You’re conditioned then to be like, “When I do things I don’t want to do, it makes other people happy and then I get rewarded for it.” Then you turn into this self sacrificing adult whose life is not their own at all. And it’s just filled with doing things for other people because you think it makes you feel good because of the praise that you received, when really you are just like living someone else’s life, right?

Nicole: Yeah, absolutely. I often talk, in terms of my community, I say, “The whole world is going to reward you for doing too much.” Like you were just saying, everyone’s going to heap praise on you for doing, like you said, doing the things you maybe didn’t want to do or didn’t feel like you had the energy to do. And they’re going to hold that up, and people, for that matter, will write huge Facebook posts or heap praise on someone in whatever way for like, “Oh, they did this and this and this, and they can do all these things, and they do it and they’re so amazing.” People go on and on about that, but how many big heaps of praises do people get for, you know, “That person was a boss and took a nap today.” Now, they might say, “Hey, that’s great you took a nap,” but they’re not going to heap praise on people over again about that. They’re not going to be effusive about that. That’s what we’re up against. This is why it’s so hard to maintain boundaries – because it takes a lot of energy, and you’re literally pushing back against the cultural norm, in our culture anyway. I know different cultures will probably value those things in different ways, but I think in a lot of places the value is highly put on, “Oh, you’re doing those things that you don’t want to do or don’t have energy to do.”

Nicole Havelka, a middle-aged white woman looking right at the camera with her hand up, palm out to say no.

Dani: Yeah. Well, in my case, too, like, that interview that I had to do with all the answers of people saying, “I love your boundaries,” that was so shocking to me, because even though I don’t have a problem setting them and maintaining them, I have always had this feeling like, “people probably think, like, “Oh, Dani just says no to everything.” Or “I can’t count on her if I need something, blah, blah, blah.” When really the people closest to me in my life really admire it. That was surprising. You never know. I thought everyone walked around thinking like, “Dani’s very selfish.” But it is the thing that people admire most about me.

Nicole: Well, and honestly, some people might be thinking that because we are conditioned to, especially when you’re saying no in order to take time for yourself, “That is selfish.” We’re conditioned to think that. On the other hand, I think people want that. They wish they could do it more. So that’s why at least those people who were honest said – honest and supportive of you, I should say – saying, “Oh, I really admire that quality of hers.” And it was resounding. It was every single one, not just one or two said that. 

Dani: Yep.

Nicole: Like all of them said that. So fascinating, right? Because I’m with you, I have an easier time. I don’t know that I’ve always been able to do it well, but it came much more easily and younger to me than it did a lot of other people, that ability to say no. So maybe that’s why we like hanging out. Maybe it’s not the only reason, I don’t think. But, yes, it helps. It doesn’t hurt that there’s people who understand, and then why is this so hard? Just say no. But it is really hard, or can be really hard in the moment. So I appreciate that.

More resources on learning to set boundaries

So you’ve already mentioned Atomic Habits [by James Clear], which apparently both of us are now fans of. Are there any other books or blogs or podcasts or any other kinds of resources that you would recommend to people? It doesn’t necessarily have to be directly about Human Design, but what are things that are really kind of big on your list around maintaining boundaries, around saying no and self care?

Dani: The book I find myself recommending most to my clients, it doesn’t have anything to do with Human Design. It’s called Break the Good Girl Myth [by Majo Molfino]. The cover is black, it has pink writing, and it is based on the author’s observation that most women fit into these five good girl archetypes that started out – It’s similar to Human Design in that it’s all conditioning from our childhood and kind of like justified or supported by the praise that gets heaped on us as little girls for behaving a certain way.

One of the archetypes is the myth of sacrifice. So you were conditioned as a little girl to sacrifice your needs for the benefit or the praise of others. And then it shows if that was your good girl myth, how it shows up in you as a woman, and then how to kind of decondition yourself out of that energy. I feel like I should have an affiliate link to that book because I’ve had so many clients read it, that it was transformational for me just to see, like, oh, my gosh, I have the myth of perfection, and I can totally see where that started out in my childhood and how it was really holding me back as an adult. I can’t do something unless it’s totally perfect because I identify with the things that I put out in the world. They feel like little pieces of me, which is what happens when you have the myth of perfection.

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So if someone says, like, “Oh, I don’t get what you do. Or Human Design sounds stupid.” If you feel like it’s a part of you, you’re just like, “Ugh, I’m stupid.” And it makes you an adult who just doesn’t want to put anything out in the world for fear of taking something so personally. So reading that was super empowering. I love that book.

Nicole: Great. … Dani wrote an email in my email series that I’m doing this month for my people in my email list and recommended that book. I’m like, “I know I’ve heard that before. Oh right, she did that.” But I will drop these book recommendations in the line notes, and then if you’re on my subscription list, I am reposting all of this, [and you’re] getting all of this great content back in my newsletter this month as well, and this one will appear there too.

So how do people find more of you, Dani?

Dani: Yeah. So I am the most active on Instagram, @goodvibeshive. You can also find me at DaniSage.com or GoodVibesHive.com

Nicole: Yay and do find out, because the Hive is great if you’re in the Columbus, Ohio, area. 

Dani: And I ship nationally. 

Nicole: And she ships stuff nationally, and it’s great. And I have sometimes gotten gifts from her for my clients, too, just as an FYI, when I want to give them little thank-you presents. They frequently come from Dani, by the way.

Dani: Yeah, if you’re curious about your Human Design chart, there is a free form on both of my websites for you to put your information in to see what your chart looks like. And then if you want to learn more, you can obviously book a service with me through either of those. 

Nicole: Awesome, awesome. And then I just want to mention really quickly so again, I’m Nicole Havelka, and I help people and organizations recover from and prevent burnout. And I am doing a really cool thing in August, which is my birthday month, which is I’m doing a series of emails, which you can actually still sign up for, even though it’s halfway through the month. You’d still get the benefit of some great content. And you would get an invite, as most people are, to my weekly yoga classes, which are usually for members only.

And you will get an invite, and actually anyone can find this event on my website and on Eventbrite, which is the Loving Yourself Enough to Take a Nap, which you have to say no to an hour and a half of other things, but you can lay around with permission for an hour and a half while we do. I will do some affirming – liturgy is the word that’s coming to me because apparently my pastor hat is turning on – but like, some affirmations of the importance of rest. There’ll be people sending and giving you reiki during this, there will be some journaling. I will do some very gentle, very simple yoga movement to kind of help us settle down and a little bit of a guided meditation to work you into some restful sleep and then some nice music and other things while you rest in the context of community, which I think is really, actually really important. We need to claim rest together. I know you can take a nap on a Sunday afternoon by yourself, and I’m totally affirming of that if you do, but I think there’s also a lot of value in doing that, whether you come in person if you’re in the Columbus, Ohio, area or if you can join online as well. That’s a hybrid event, so I’m really stoked about that. There’s only 19 spots left at the in-person event [and] more if you’re online, but those are limited and donation-based because I like giving the gifts during my birthday month. So there’s not a specific ticket price just to pay what you [can].  I give a suggestion, but to make it accessible— Speaking of access. I want sleep to be accessible to people, so we’re not overcharging! Awesome.

Well, I want to thank you once again. It’s always super fun to chat with you, Dani, which we do at least once a month, if not more. So I’m so excited. Thank you for saying yes. And you’re someone I know who can say no, so I’m doubly appreciative that this was something that was energy-giving and life-giving and hopefully draws a few more people into the wonderfulness that I know of Good Vibes Hive

So I want to thank you all for joining us. You might even find this later. Either find me or Dani ask your questions, and we’ll loop back to you online if you have more to ask. Thanks so much, and have a great rest of your day.

Dani: Thank you. Bye.

Dani Sage

Dani Sage

Good Vibes Hive

Dani Sage is a modern mystic, and the Head Witch in Charge at the Good Vibes Hive, a boutique salon where self-care meets spirituality. A firm believer that ritual & metaphysical tools should be easy and accessible for the masses, Dani spends her days demystifying the world of woo-woo through tarot and Human Design chart readings, and educational workshops. You can find more of her on Instagram, @goodvibeshive.

Nicole Havelka

Nicole Havelka

Anti-Burnout Coach

Nicole Havelka is the founder of the Defy the Trend community, which uses restorative yoga, group coaching and a supportive community to prevent and recover from burnout. Try one of Nicole’s free yoga classes any time by joining the free Defy the Trend community: defythetrend.com/community.